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Matt Baglio
is the author of The Rite, which has just been released as a film
starring Anthony Hopkins. The film uses the factual research by Matt
into the topic of demonic possession and shows how a catholic priest
trains and becomes an exorcist.
What inspired you to
research and write this book?
I was living in Rome and heard about the university course in exorcism.
When I went I was surprised at the lectures, as they were clear and
fact-based. The approach was academic and scientific.
Did you regard this as a
potential book?
I was going to write an article, but I attended the lectures and became
fascinated. I wanted to expand on the subject and write more about the
truth behind this subject. I wasn’t happy with the way exorcism is
usually addressed, as it tends to be sensational and doesn’t get to the
bottom of it.
What did you find out?
I met Father Gary Thomas who was sent to Rome to study exorcism and
become an exorcist. I was surprised that he confessed he didn’t know
much about the subject and had doubts about its validity, and was
learning about it in much the same way I was. So I thought it was a
good idea to follow him and his training. For a year I researched the
book, this included interviewing victims of exorcism and attending
exorcisms as well as obtaining the opinions of experts.
Who experiences demonic
possession?
Victims can be anyone, although actual demonic possession is very rare.
It is complicated and of course does involve mental illness that
priests are trained to identify, although certain Christian
organisations especially in the USA are not as rigorous. Exorcism
should not involve belittling, hounding or shouting at people. This is
close to criminal abuse in some cases. In contrast, the proper approach
is calm and academic. Exorcism is a calm ritual often quietly conducted
in Latin.
Does is work?
Anthropologists and psychologists would argue that it has a
psychotherapeutic effect. It has a placebo effect, victims feel they
are listened to and not ostracised for having these strange experiences
and an exorcism can produce a clean break.
The priest should be sceptical and exorcism is different from just
giving spiritual help. Some forms of exorcism are just a matter of
giving a prayer but in instances where the possession is more powerful
the full exorcism rite is given. I know of cases where insects have
been seen and objects moving on their own, and the exorcism stopped
them.
Exorcism does work and it reveals that that there is more to us as
human beings, there is more than just mere matter, there is a healing,
spiritual dimension to us. Even scientists have considered that prayer
can help our health and that we are not just simply a biological thing.
How did the book become a
film project?
Michael Petroni wrote the screenplay as I was writing the book. The
book was published first. I passed on notes, information and chapters
of the book to Michael. I did get input into the film although not the
final say. I was a technical consultant and went on set and gave
information and help on the subject to the actors and director. I took
two of the actors to see an exorcism. I’d give them help in letting
them know what people might say and feel during an exorcism.
The book is non-fiction and I was trying to portray the reality of the
situation. I was able to distance myself between the book and the film;
I know many authors have complained about how their work has been badly
used by movie makers. I found it amazing to watch Anthony Hopkins take
on his character. I’m happy with the film, it is very accurate. It
attempts to be serious and truthful.
Did other films influence
you?
The Exorcist of course stands out because it was original; there were
no films like it before. Paranormal Activity touches on exorcism and
there have been other films. They tend to be sensational; our film
tries a different aspect. We are looking at the deeper issue of evil
and overcoming it. In our portrayal of the devil, we are going for the
less obvious, the hidden and the subtle.
It is not just a clear case of pure spirits and evil versus total
scepticism, it is a complicated issue. A person opens up to possession
when they are drawn to evil, and it becomes a battle to save them.
Though this happens in say 1 out of a 1,000 people.
What are the most
extraordinary cases do you know about?
In one case, Father Thomas saw the eyes of a victim become black and
lifeless and it shocked him. He had previously been an embalmer and
knew they looked exactly like the eyes of a dead body. The eyes just
stared at him with sheer hatred.
In another instance, an exorcist prayed over a young woman who was
possessed. He was talking to her mother, and she sat 10 feet away with
her back to them. Like many priests do, he decided to play a little
trick to see what the reaction would be. His trick was to say a prayer
in French in his mind. The second he did this the young woman span
round and told him in a gruff dog-like voice that praying in that
language was useless as the devil knew all languages.
Many of these stories come from non-believers. One priest had a new
cell phone that had all its messages erased. That night he had a
telephone call asking for a blessing. He was about to give the blessing
when the person’s voice changed and it asked, “did you like the joke I
made on you with your cell phone? I can return your messages.”
Of course, possession can be faked and it’s not all clear cut. Exorcism
asks questions about our existence, it challenges you and takes you
deeper.
The Rite arrives on Triple Play Blu-ray™, DVD on 20th June and digital
download on 17th June 2011.
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