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Jaap Mees interviews Layla Alexander Garrett who believes that meeting Tarkovsky and working with him was a matter of fate.

The renowned Swedish filmmaker Ingmar Bergman once said:

ďAndrei Tarkovsky is for me the greatest, the man who invented a new language, true to the nature of film as mirror of life, life as a dream.Ē
The spiritual, lyrical and poetic film maker Andrei Tarkovsky (1932-1986) made seven features: Ivanís Childhood (1962), Andrei Rublev (1966) Solaris (1972), Mirror (1974), Stalker (1979) all in Russia; Nostalgia (1983) in Italy and The Sacrifice (1986) in Sweden. He also made three shorts and a documentary, A Time of Voyaging (1982), impressions of Italy prior to making Nostalgia

A scene from Directed By Andrei Tarkovsky (1988) a documentary by M. Leszczylowski:

At the end of this documentary there is a country house in an open filed,  specially been built to be set a fire.

The scene is ,as often with Tarkovsky, carefully choreographed  and shot in a complicated long tracking shot involving lots of actors running in and out of frame. Everyone is tense, not in the least Tarkovsky himself, knowing this is a key scene in the film. Action. Everything goes well, but then there is a major camera hiccup during end of the take.

Tarkovsky is devastated. The complete house has to be built up again and set a light. Just before the second take, crew and cast are  even more nervous  than before, Tarkovsky blesses Erland Josephson, the main character, and kisses him on his forehead. 

This  time, covered by two cameras just in case, the scene goes smoothly. Tarkovsky thanks everyone involved personally in different languages. Then he crosses a path with puddles  in a large field and walks to the horizon on his own. Credits.

An interview with Layla Alexander Garrett, a tall, blond woman with strong beautiful features, who believes meeting Tarkovsky and being chosen to work with him was a matter of fate. They got on very well. She did an question and answer session after the film, Directed By Andrei Tarkovsky was shown in the Russian film club Kino Kino! in the Cine Lumiere, South-Kensington. She  worked as an interpreter and personal assistant on Tarkovskyís last film The Sacrifice. She is Russian and studied the science and history of film in Sweden. Now she lives in London. 

Did you work with other filmmakers before Tarkovsky?

No, I was studying film and Tibetan  at the time. But after Tarkovsky, people asked me to work with them, in theatre mainly, I worked with Yuri Lubimov at the Royal Dramatic Theatre on Pushkinís Feast During Plague Time and on Bulgakovís Master and Margarita and on Janacekís Jenufa in the Royal Opera House in Covent Garden. In Britain I worked with Derek Jarman. I played a Professor of Mathematical Logic, Sofia Janovskaya in Wittgenstein.

Tarkovsky seemed to be a very tormented man, it must have been difficult to get to know him.

If you are an happy person, you wouldnít be an artist. I think an artist is always tormented. Show me an artist who isnít? Through pain you create your  work. Look at Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Van Gogh, Gaugain etc. Tarkovsky must have been tormented all of his life, not just the years when he was compelled to stay in Europe in order to finish his projects: Boris Godunov at Covent Garden, The Sacrifice in Sweden and he was planning to do the Flying Dutchman in Covent Garden again and Hamlet.

Tarkovsky was different with different people. He was like a sponge. If he liked you, he was great - gentle, caring and charming. If he didnítÖwellÖHeaven forbid! He could be nervous, and edgy, but also very intuitive, perceptive and funny. He had a wry sense of humour. 

Why were the authorities so strict with him, was it because his films were so spiritual?

His films were so badly distributed because Tarkovsky was a controversial, provoking and uncompromising director. Andrei was also an exceptional clever man. He was always fighting for his art. Iím sure every true  artist subconsciously knows that he is predestined for some great things. Alas, the mediocrity never forgives you for that.

The irony is that Tarkovskyís films have made more money in Western Europe than any other Russian director. His films were in great demand and were immediately requested by foreign film festivals. Who is distributed well nowadays, apart from Spielberg and other big Hollywood shots? Visconti, Fellini, Antonioni, Bergman, Kurosawa, even Bresson, Tarkovskyís favourite? 

That is still  not a reason to make his life so difficult.

Of course in an ideal world it isnít. But he lived in a different world. A prophet is never recognised in his own country. Kurosawa wasnít liked by the Japanese, Bergman was criticised by the Swedes, so Tarkovsky wasnít unique in that respect. He had a very loyal group of followers. He was adored and admired by many Russians, right from his first feature film Ivanís Childhood (62). People tried to break the doors of the cinemas in order to see his films! 

Were his films a threat for the authorities/establishment? I donít quite understand.

Tarkovsky invented a new way of making films. As Bergman said he created a dream language, true to the nature of  film. He trespasses the hidden region of the dream. I suppose when you are a genius, like Tarkovsky was, people always make your life difficult. It was the same for Sacharov, Pasternak, Mandelstahm, Achmatova, Tsvetayeva etc. Itís probably a very Russian thing, to go to extremes.

Under Gorbatchevís Glasnost it wasnít easier?

Only after Tarkovskyís death, there was more freedom of expression and travelling. Solchenytsin once said he knew in is mind he will never come back to Russia, but in his heart he felt that he  will be leaving there. Tarkovsky never believed that life in Russia could change. He tried to get his son Andryusha out of Russia, who he hadnít seen in three years.

He sent lots of letters to the authorities, which I helped him with, but with no result. Only when Tarkovsky was seriously ill and the X-rays were send to Russia, he was eventually reunited with the son ďhe loved more than anything in the world".

Imagine you meet somebody, who has never heard of Tarkovsky, how would you describe him?

The best way to describe Tarkovsky is to buy a ticket and watch his work!

When I say he was a marvellous, clever, witty and interesting man, I can say the same for millions of other people. Tarkovsky wasnít interested in entertaining people, when you go deep inside and when you are honest there is very little to entertain about. He invites you to make a step to another dimension, to embrace the spiritual. And itís hard work, maybe thatís why some people didnít like him very much.

His films are not about understanding in a rational way, but more on an intuitive and super natural level. 

Tarkovsky likes to make riddles, like his father the poet Arseni Tarkovsky, who read some of his own beautiful  poems in Tarkovskyís most autobiographical film Mirror

He didnít want to please the audience, he always knew he had a small (10-15%) but very loyal segment of the audience. I donít think he cared much about the audience.

I heard when Tarkovsky came to London, he wanted to see big Hollywood mainstream films.

He wanted to see those films, not so much for the directors, but more to see the development of the technical side. He didnít had much chance to see them in Russia. Once he recommended my husband to see Terminator, he was very surprised. Tarkovsky was interested in the theme of the film: travelling in time and space.

How can a filmmaker not care about the audience. I think thatís dangerous, because you  make films to communicate with an audience.

If you make what is true to you, you will communicate, when youíre honest with yourself. He absolutely didnít care about he audience, in the sense that he didnít want to please, satisfy or tease them. He made films close to his heart.

Can you tell a bit more about working on The Sacrifice, what did you do?

My job was translating. The Swedish Institute had two million dollars to make the film. After the day shoot finished, Tarkovsky, his cameraman Sven Nykvist and me were talking about the film and preparing next scenes. And also trying to delude the producer to create something extra, which wasnít in the script. In Gotland where the film was shot, the cast and crew stayed in a hotel, Tarkovsky stayed in a house. In the first week we were getting up at 2.30am to catch the extraordinary light  before sunrise, the magic hour, of the white nights. By the shore it was very cold because of the Baltic winds, but  one kilometre away people were sunbathing. 

Ingmar Bergman shot his film Through a Glass Darkly during white nights..

Unfortunately  Tarkovsky and Bergman never met. Bergman admires Tarkovsky and vice versa, but Bergman is rather shy and doesnít want to meet new people, without being prepared. Later, when I worked at the Royal Dramatic Theatre in Stockholm, Bergman told me  that every time before he made a new film, he watched Tarkovskyís, Andrei Rublev

I very much admire Tarkovsky and love films like Mirror, Andrei Rublev and Nostalgia, but to be honest I think Tarkovsky sometimes took himself a bit too seriously. He didnít laugh at himself much.

He didnít see himself as a prophet, others made him into one. He says things that matter to him.

It didnít go to his head?

No absolutely not. He was the most wonderful man to be with, but when he didnít like you, he could be unfriendly and short. He was a very complex, difficult man. He said to me that he used to be much more angry in Russia, but during The Sacrifice he seemed much more at ease with himself.

When you touch, I suppose, that different reality, that you know must exist, it changes you. I think he sensed it immediately when you wanted something from him. It was self protection, he wanted to be with people he liked. I think itís inevitable to be selective and closed down when you are a public figure.

Tarkovsky loved Johan Sebastian Bach, I read he wanted to be a composer like Bach himself. He played Bachís music almost every day.

Absolutely, when he was young he wanted to be a musician and conductor. Like Bergman, also a great lover of Bach.

Talking about music, Arseni Tarkovsky, Andreiís father, was reading some of his own poems in the magical film Mirror, Tarkovskyís most autobiographical one, in a very musical way


A man has just one body a solitary shell 
The soul thinks it quite shoddy 
as many know so well 

With ears and eyes outfitted 
to cover bones and loins 

So fly out through the cornea 
into the vaulted sky

Up to those ice cold wheel spokes 
where bird like cariots fly 

And listen from the shackles 
of your living prison room 

A wood or cornfield crackles 
the seven oceans boom 

A soul's sinful without body 
like a body without clothes 

There is no design, no action 
no projects and no prose 

It's a riddle that's unfair 
who'll return to take his changes 

..when he's danced upon that square 
 where no one ever dances 

My soul dreams of another 
dressed in a different hue 

She burns with fire and changes 
from fear to hope anew 

Like fire without a shadow 
she roams the earth unable 

to forget the bunch of lilac, 
that was left upon the table 

Take flight child, stop lamenting 
Eurydice, poor soul 

While with your stick around the world 
your chipper hoop, your bowl 

Until if only partly 
to every step you hear 

both merrily and tartly 
Earth answers in your ear. 

(Arseni Tarkovski) 

Tarkovsky:  ď there is nothing more beautiful and mysterious than simplicity.Ē

He meant that in the ancient Greek way. He liked beauty very much, he could see it in the most unexpected places,  like a dirty pool. True beauty shatters you, it gives you goose pimps. Dostojevsky said that beauty will save the world. Andrei used to say it will help the world. Tarkovsky was very erudite, he loved literature, poetry, music and film. He started as a painter and studied piano and Arabic.

During twenty years of his working life in Russia he made five feature films and he directed Hamlet in Moscow. In three years in the West he made two films, did a Boris Godunov opera in Covent Garden in London, wrote the book Sculpting in Time and he made the documentary A Time of Voyaging.

Tarkovsky had a great admiration for Robert Bresson.

Bresson is another film director,  who doesnít care about the audience, he made films he has to make, close to his heart. You canít dictate those filmmakers to make films about fashionable subjects, they follow their own inner path. Essentially all great filmmakers are poets, like Bergman, Kurosawa, Mizoguchi, Bresson, Fellini, Antonioni (Kieslowski and Sokurov. J.M.).

Tarkovsky: ď My roots lie in the fact that I donít love myself and that I donít really like myself.Ē

A person who likes everything about him/her self is probably a self satisfied person. He wouldnít search somewhere else, other inner truths, inner beauty that man reflects of God.

How do you remember Andrei Tarkovsky?

I still dream about him. I feel that he helps me in my life. He is one of the most talented, inspired and gentle people I have ever met. Once he said  to me: ďIím like Leonardo Da Vinciís  Man: crucified in a circle of life.Ē


For me the essence of Tarkovskyís work is the ever returning theme that man should search for his/her own spiritual sources to build a meaningful and complete existence. I admire Tarkovsky especially for his persevering strength to follow his own inner path, without compromising and for  his unique poetic vision.

To the Russian journalist Olga Surkova he said:

ďIn all my films, it seemed important to me to remind  the audience to the fact that they are not alone, lost in an empty universe, but that they are connected by innumerable threads with their past and present, that through certain mystical ways, every human being  realises the rapport with the world and the life of humanity.Ē
Jaap Mees. 

With help from  Layla Alexander Garrett and Charlotte Carlsson. 

Also see:

The Genius of Andrei Tarkovsky

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